Comments on Out 1 Film Journal: The Kids Aren't Alright

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Thanks for the great comment, Tony! It makes me gl...

2009-08-18T16:31:02.633-04:00

Thanks for the great comment, Tony! It makes me glad to see that you've come around to the film a little more. I totally understand why the Dwyer footage is off-putting, but I think it is a creative leap that lands perfectly.

James: I actually do like GUMMO, and I love JULIEN DONKEY-BOY. There is a certain emotionalism that pervades Korine's weirdness, but it feels like meandering exploitation a little too often to be as great as Herzog says.

Also, I hope your conference went well. I think LOREN CASS would make a great subject for an interesting essay on doc theory. Considering that you also had doubts about the Dwyer footage, it seems the true success of LOREN CASS might be the way it sticks with you and feels more and more appropriate the more you think about it.

Brandon- Yeah, I definitely agree on Korine. I thi...

2009-08-18T12:29:22.975-04:00

Brandon- Yeah, I definitely agree on Korine. I think he's an interesting filmmaker, but I rarely connect with what he's doing. It seems so much more intrusive and off-putting than just finding those moments. Of course, I don't mean that across the board - he has some really great scenes - but I've never bought it the same was Van Sant/Herzog/Waters have.

The most interesting direct scene parallel is probably the fighting the chair/beating the trash can. Looking at those two (and how differently they work) you can really see the difference.

Tony- I've been at a documentary conference all week and my head is spinning with ideas about doc, but I've had so much theory thrown at me this week that I'll pass over your comments for now. A crazy theory laden response would be fun, but I think I'll skip it. :-) It is insightful though to think about it how you (and Brandon) mention it. I wasn't sure if I thought it all worked or not after we saw it, but now I'm pretty sure it nails it.

After I saw the movie, the inclusion of the Dwyer ...

2009-08-18T11:14:29.839-04:00

After I saw the movie, the inclusion of the Dwyer footage was really problematic for me as I couldn't quite wrap my head around why exactly this very famous, out of context public suicide could possibly have anything to say about the situation in which these kids found themselves in, in that it had a story all its own, completely unrelated.

But I think this review helped me through that by the simple use of the word "documentary".

Even outside of the use of archival footage there were times where I felt what was on screen was actually happening. I don't know what you would call a guy bloodying his hands punching a trash can for a fiction film. If it is staged is it less than real, even if it has real consequences? Is that documentary? I mean, I have to assume a certain amount of aggression exists within a person capable of "acting" in a scene like that one.

The shocking doses of "documentary reality" stand as perfect compliments to the less than acted moments of the scripted or planned aspects of the movie. They also work to make the experimental touches (spontaneous combustion, car accident, etc.,)feel rooted in something tangible. When that character is on fire, I know he's not on fire, but I know he wants to be, just like he wanted to feel pain when he was punching those trash cans and just like Mr. Dwyer wanted to die.

Thanks, James! As far as Korine comparisons go, I...

2009-08-18T09:01:06.024-04:00

Thanks, James!

As far as Korine comparisons go, I would say that Fuller is a little less-interested in the poetic sideshow. GUMMO always seemed like a parade of unreal freaks rather than living, breathing people. I think the characters in LOREN CASS are a bit more rooted in everyday boredom, etc. They don't wear rabbit ears.

However, the basic set-up (a community of youths coping in the wake of a disaster) is similar and the willingness to shock is certainly there as well. I think both Korine and Fuller are just brash dudes.

This is wonderfully written review, Brandon. For a...

2009-08-17T20:27:33.751-04:00

This is wonderfully written review, Brandon. For a movie like this that is so hard to describe, you really did a nice job. I guess I've never talked to you about him before, but I wonder what you think of the comparisons by most critics to Harmony Korine, especially GUMMO. Seems to me tradition may be slightly the same, but they are operating under very different principles.

Anyways, I wasn't totally sure what I thought about LC at first, but it has stuck with me, as I expected it might. Its pretty dynamic in a lot of ways.